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Title: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: Fever on May 07, 2012, 09:00:29 pm Central Daylight Time The forbidden list holds the most broken cards of all time. But there are only 25 cards worth deeming as the best in existence. Cards on the forbidden list that without a doubt can NEVER be unbanned. And the reason for that is because these cards are so powerful because they have little to no requirements, set backs, and they can be easily splashed in almost any deck.
When thinking about your list, imagine the card in the current format. Not just by itself. My list of cards aren't in order but that's the point of this thread. Keep in mind that my list is TCG. I don't play OCG so I don't give a crap about Sixth Sense. Discuss what you believe is the top 25 and if you like, place them in order from most powerful to weakest. 1) Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End 2) Painful Choice 3) Pot of Greed 4) Harpies Feather Duster 5) Imperial Order 6) Change of Heart 7) Makyura the Destructor 8) Fiber Jar 9) Cyber Jar 10) Dark Strike Fighter 11) Card of Safe Return 12) Ring of Destruction 13) Crush Card Virus 14) Delinquent Duo 15) Dimension Fusion 16) Premature Burial 17) Snatch Steal 18) Graceful Charity 19) Yata-Garasu 20) Destiny Hero - Disk Commander 21) Magician of Faith 22) Mirage of Nightmare 23) Confiscation 24) The Forceful Sentry 25) Brain Control Title: Re: Top 20: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: PkMn Trainer on May 07, 2012, 11:22:52 pm Central Daylight Time Shapesnatch.
Don't even know why Konami is letting that thing run wild at 3. Title: Re: Top 20: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: Fever on May 07, 2012, 11:37:31 pm Central Daylight Time Updated my list.
Title: Re: Top 20: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: PkMn Trainer on May 08, 2012, 08:06:38 pm Central Daylight Time What did you bump off?
Title: Re: Top 20: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: Fever on May 08, 2012, 10:40:50 pm Central Daylight Time I forgot lol. But I gotta change it again anyway. I made big changes on Pojo and went to top 25.
Title: Re: Top 20: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: PkMn Trainer on May 09, 2012, 07:56:38 am Central Daylight Time I remember I thought Imperial Order was so unfair as a kid.
Title: Re: Top 20: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: ArkticDark on May 09, 2012, 08:05:09 am Central Daylight Time Premature Burial and Snatch Steal really aren't that broken by themselves.
Isn't that how this list works? The card has to stand alone. What about Raigeki??? Title: Re: Top 20: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: Fever on May 09, 2012, 01:44:38 pm Central Daylight Time Premature Burial and Snatch Steal really aren't that broken by themselves. Isn't that how this list works? The card has to stand alone. What about Raigeki??? Thread has been updated quite a bit. Yeah those two are broken by themselves. Snatch Steal is immensely broken lol. Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: ArkticDark on May 09, 2012, 07:06:22 pm Central Daylight Time XYZ Reborn
and... Raigeki... Title: Re: Top 20: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: Fever on May 09, 2012, 07:47:27 pm Central Daylight Time Shapesnatch. Don't even know why Konami is letting that thing run wild at 3. Trent > Shapesnatch Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: PkMn Trainer on May 09, 2012, 08:19:06 pm Central Daylight Time What's up with Disc Commander anyway? Never understood it.
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: Fever on May 09, 2012, 09:14:22 pm Central Daylight Time What's up with Disc Commander anyway? Never understood it. He's too easy to abuse. There's plenty of support cards that bring back a weak Monster like himself. Limit Reverse, Call of the Haunted, Monster Reborn, ect just makes for easy abuse. Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: PkMn Trainer on May 09, 2012, 09:34:41 pm Central Daylight Time Oh, Debris Dragon works with him too. I see. And it's 2 cards. Aw ****. :P
I think we can bump off Makyura for Raigeki. Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: Fever on May 09, 2012, 09:55:44 pm Central Daylight Time Makyura is actually worse. You can draw your whole deck with him. Raigeki is broken of course but he just does much more.
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070602193312/yugioh/images/5/5e/MakyuratheDestructorDB1-EN-SR-UE.jpg) Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: PkMn Trainer on May 09, 2012, 10:16:28 pm Central Daylight Time Wait wat how he do dat.
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: Fever on May 09, 2012, 11:05:03 pm Central Daylight Time You can discard him, and then run Traps like Reckless Greed and other stuff.
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: ArkticDark on May 10, 2012, 05:50:33 am Central Daylight Time Hmm... I wonder why Xyz Reborn isn't even on the semi limited list?
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: BigStinkinApe on May 10, 2012, 11:00:59 am Central Daylight Time Here's my top 25
1: Chaos Emperor Dragon-Envoy of the End 2: Exchange of the spirit 3: Elemental Hero-Disc Commander 4: Temple of the kings 5: Makyura the Destructor 6: Snatch Steal 7: Premature Burial 8: Yatta-Garasu 9: Painful Choice 10: Crush Card Virus 11: Ring of Destruction 12: Sixth Sense 13: Card of Safe Return 14: Butterfly Dagger - Elma 15: Cold Wave 16: Raigeki 17: Harpies Feather Duster 18: Deliquent Duo 19: Giant Trunade 20: Graceful Charity 21: Mirage of Nightmare 22: Dark Strike Fighter 23: Fiber Jar 24: Cyber Jar 25: Thousand-Eyes Restrict Now someone is probably gonna ask why I don't have Pot of Greed Imperial Order Change of Heart Dimension Fusion Magician of Faith Confiscation The Forceful Sentry or many others on my list. The answer for most is the same "no longer as over powered as they were". Royal Oppression is like it always was "great!-provided you can pay" but can be beat. DMOC still is epic, but is tricky to work with. confinscation still costs 1000 LP, and POG is "just 2 cards". the 25 card's I listed I feel as as bad or worse than thye were when they were at thie best BECAUSE even with their costs or lack there of, thye are still far and away overpowered. Cyber stien is only good if you have 5k to pay. Same with any of the other payment cards, bar exchange of the spirit, because it can end a game on it's own. the cards without costs(like change of heart, POG and the like) are only as tough as the situation they are used in. sure it's a **** to get one topdecked on you, but most only generate that advantage for their turn. The exception is HFD, Raigeki and Trunade. those can generate lasting advantage. Fiber jar is also int his bracket but slower. CEDEOTE is still the monster it always was...but yet I wish even for 3 months we could have it re-released to remind the "youngin's " what the hell it's banned for. Newbs need to be terrorized by true "monsters", ya know what I mean? If the ban's were disbarred for 3 months, the kiddies could see just how damn broken those cards are. Then they could be sealed away and forgotten for another 5-7 years. Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: Fever on May 10, 2012, 11:10:56 am Central Daylight Time Hmm... I wonder why Xyz Reborn isn't even on the semi limited list? Because it's not broken. Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: PkMn Trainer on May 10, 2012, 03:46:55 pm Central Daylight Time That's kinda weak, Fever. The only Trap fitting that description that doesn't suck by itself is Reckless Greed.
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: Fever on May 10, 2012, 03:51:06 pm Central Daylight Time That's kinda weak, Fever. The only Trap fitting that description that doesn't suck by itself is Reckless Greed. There's FTK's based around him. I'm not talking about just draw cards. But any other Trap you can just play like a Spell. Especially ones that do burn damage. Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: PkMn Trainer on May 10, 2012, 04:40:45 pm Central Daylight Time F*ck that sh*t I play Advanced. >:(
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: Fever on May 10, 2012, 05:08:46 pm Central Daylight Time Yeah same here. :) But Traditional is fun to mess around with. At least that's what I used before I played Advanced.
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: BigStinkinApe on May 11, 2012, 11:44:51 pm Central Daylight Time I play tradi once every format. It keeps my instincts sharp and my creative side from draining. It worked to keep me in game for 10 years, so I must be doin something right :P
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: Fever on May 11, 2012, 11:56:17 pm Central Daylight Time I believe Traditional format is only good for play fun and/or learning how to play the game. I think if you wanna be competitive and you use banned cards, it dulls your skills. :P
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: ArkticDark on May 12, 2012, 06:46:33 am Central Daylight Time Summoned Skull and Celtic Guardian should be banned! They are So Good! LOL! Idk... just because... Sillyness.
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: BigStinkinApe on May 12, 2012, 07:27:41 am Central Daylight Time I can see your point, but learning to play the game knowing you could be cut down in seconds, then to have all the sharp things sheathed and covered in bubblewrap over the years, makes one's skills dull anyway. I need to be reminded how to stay "deadily" in the game, and traditional does that for me. It's somewhat of a way to recharge my creative batteries, having to constantly adapt to new stratagies while still having to deal with the same old, utterly broken gamestates brought on by free advantage and demolisher's of field and hand alike. Tradi format is like a "hyperbolic time chamber" to my skills, or like the sayian regeneration chamber like goku used to recover so he could beat freiza. IDK how it works, but sure enough as the old format dies I go to tradi mode for a week or 2, and suddenly I am filled with new energy and fresh ideas for all the new deck styles.
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: ArkticDark on May 12, 2012, 08:08:33 am Central Daylight Time hmm... And this works huh?
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: Fever on May 12, 2012, 05:33:04 pm Central Daylight Time Pot of Greed is wayyyyyyyyyyy good. It's like running 38 cards and thins your deck.
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: BigStinkinApe on May 13, 2012, 12:27:57 pm Central Daylight Time Arktic: you try running morphtronics or some ****-**** little archetype with or without banned cards VS a deck of classic chaos or DMOC turbo or the various locks and loops with banned cards. You learn a **** ton and like a hone to a knife, it realign's all your dulled dueling senses to thier past sharpened state. My proof is winning the first 2 locals(turnous of 24 and 19 repsectively) in the first month after the ban come in this format, doing the first one and top 4 last format in the first 2, and those locals had over 20 people each and so on. I mark locals stuff down so I can do reports on odd decks I test, and I am always placing strongest when the format is both undefined (or in this format's case, unchanged) and AFTER I duel a week or 2 of just traditional games. I usually start with olc chaos and yatta lock decks and work my way into "cause of death" OTK decks and so on, usually stopping once I get to tele-dad era chronologically and testing decks I think can work with banned stuff or completely new decks that have never had interaction with the older bans.
It' puts the fear of YGO gods into you to see a empty field swarm into BLS, CED, DAD, DMOC and some random **** like X/Y/Z dragon cannon parts off of bulls**t like POG and dimension fusion. It also makes you think of unexpected **** to deck now a days. Case in point jowjen the spiritualist, he's like a slightly slower fossil dyna who can be SS'd through a few ways, and who also is honestable and the like. Last time I tradi'd I sided 3 in and holy **** did it make me re consider him for when chaos dragons were released. I side 2 now and I've yet to get rolled over by chaos dragons. Fever: those 2 cards are what can be broke, drawing 2 more really does not scare me, nor does my opponent thinking running "38 card.dek" is any more of an advantage vs me, because I too would run "38card.dek". It's costless advantage yes, but everyone get's it, it's common and reprinted into oblivion, so hell I say POG is fine, just be prepared(like I am) to accept the consequences of dealing with free advantage. Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: Fever on May 13, 2012, 03:20:07 pm Central Daylight Time Just because everyone has access to it doesn't make it balanced.
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: BigStinkinApe on May 13, 2012, 03:46:49 pm Central Daylight Time No it does not, but it nullifies the 38 card deck argument. POG is only as broke as the combos you dig into.
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: Fever on May 13, 2012, 04:41:36 pm Central Daylight Time Pot of Greed makes any deck better. Because it adds speed and consistency to any deck.
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: ArkticDark on May 13, 2012, 05:48:50 pm Central Daylight Time This is true. Speed can be key.
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: BigStinkinApe on May 14, 2012, 02:57:49 pm Central Daylight Time If pot of greed is legal, and anyone can get it (anyone can it's common from like 8 decks for **** sake) then the speed/ consisteny remains the same save in occassions where someone is too stupid/poor and does not have a POG. It's the duality arguemnt post reprint for the first 3 weeks. people were still claiming it was broke, hard to get and expensive, but fact was it was in a SE and people could ebay 12 of them for like a buck....
bottomline: if everyone gets it and everyone can access it, the card adds nothing we didn't already have. If every car in a race goes facter it only matters to first place as they becoem THAT much closer tot he finishline, everyone else just experiences a feeling of stagnation. POG still should be banned, but it's by no means in my top 25, nor should it be in anyone elses(IMO of course). Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: Fever on May 14, 2012, 04:36:27 pm Central Daylight Time The whole point of this list is to show the top 25 cards that can NEVER be unbanned. You recently just said Pot of Greed should never be legal, therefore it belongs on this list.
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: ArkticDark on May 14, 2012, 05:15:20 pm Central Daylight Time I like BSA's analogy
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: Fever on May 14, 2012, 05:20:18 pm Central Daylight Time Eh I wish it was that way. Broken cards that are expensive because everyone wants them like Tour Guide aren't easy to get. Giving everybody Tour Guide doesn't mean that it becomes any more balanced though. Depends on the deck type that can abuse it the most or abuse it first. Same with Pot of Greed.
Remember back in the day how different a duel would go if your opponent drew something like Graceful Charity but you didn't? Yeah that will happen here with Pot of Greed. Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: BigStinkinApe on May 14, 2012, 05:40:25 pm Central Daylight Time Yes, it should never again be legal, but it's not gonna be on my list as there is far worse **** out there on that ban list. Of all the cards people fantasize about coming off the list POg is one that while I disagree with it coming off I could still see as opposed to say CEDEOTE or premature burial.
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: Fever on May 14, 2012, 05:57:51 pm Central Daylight Time I can see those coming off, but they shouldn't lol. I want Brain Control back. Was one of my favorite cards.
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: BigStinkinApe on May 14, 2012, 08:43:50 pm Central Daylight Time Brain I could see off if mind control got banned.
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: PkMn Trainer on May 14, 2012, 09:01:23 pm Central Daylight Time Hell naw why would they replace Mind Control with Brain Control?! :o That's preposterous. xD
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: Fever on May 14, 2012, 09:06:19 pm Central Daylight Time Because it's **** cool that's why. >:(
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: PkMn Trainer on May 14, 2012, 09:45:07 pm Central Daylight Time Cool to lose? Cool.
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: BigStinkinApe on May 14, 2012, 10:04:19 pm Central Daylight Time Not saying they will, just I could see it if that condition was met.
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: PkMn Trainer on May 14, 2012, 10:12:10 pm Central Daylight Time Perhaps. I get whatcha mean.
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: Fever on May 14, 2012, 11:40:38 pm Central Daylight Time Cool to win. I don't remember you running Brain Control when it was legal Trainer. ^-^
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: ArkticDark on May 15, 2012, 06:43:58 am Central Daylight Time Is Trunade really worth banning over Heavy???
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: Fever on May 15, 2012, 01:07:29 pm Central Daylight Time Is Trunade really worth banning over Heavy??? I was thinking this lol. Because it's bad to have both. And Giant Trunade starts loops. But Heavy Storm is also good for the game so it's tough. Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: BigStinkinApe on May 15, 2012, 03:26:38 pm Central Daylight Time Banning of trunade sucks balls. But it was a necessary evil.
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: Fever on May 15, 2012, 03:42:17 pm Central Daylight Time Yeah I teched that card. It was wonderful.
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: PkMn Trainer on May 15, 2012, 04:21:18 pm Central Daylight Time Cool to win. I don't remember you running Brain Control when it was legal Trainer. ^-^ ::) It was too broke not to run. Game's better off without that sh*t though. Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: Fever on May 15, 2012, 04:32:27 pm Central Daylight Time I remember a lot of people not running it. It was at 3 when Monarchs were big too lol.
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: PkMn Trainer on May 15, 2012, 06:22:29 pm Central Daylight Time Wtf those people were deprived of Commons.
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: Fever on May 15, 2012, 06:31:11 pm Central Daylight Time I suppose. But I know it's way broken. Lol. Such a sacky topdeck. ;D
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: PkMn Trainer on May 15, 2012, 08:30:29 pm Central Daylight Time I suppose. But I know it's way broken. Lol. Such a sacky topdeck. ;D *opponent unleashes a wave of Synchros + DAD* "Ah God I have 4 DARKs in the Graveyard; I can't drop DAD!" *draws Brain Control" "Oh yeah." ^-^ Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: Fever on May 20, 2012, 12:42:04 am Central Daylight Time Ah. Envoy of the Beginning needs to be banned again. :-\
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: BigStinkinApe on May 20, 2012, 09:38:32 am Central Daylight Time I agree cause it's that broken, but I still like having my all-star around ^^.
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: Fever on May 20, 2012, 01:34:19 pm Central Daylight Time Lightpulsar Dragon is OP too.
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: BigStinkinApe on May 20, 2012, 05:07:50 pm Central Daylight Time It can miss timing, but works great.
Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: PkMn Trainer on May 20, 2012, 09:48:24 pm Central Daylight Time REDMD + Lightpulsar is my nightmare.
Gooootta have Gates 'nd Grapha to get over that sh*t. Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: Fever on May 20, 2012, 10:36:54 pm Central Daylight Time REDMD + Lightpulsar is my nightmare. Gooootta have Gates 'nd Grapha to get over that sh*t. Exactly. Else you're ****. And it replaces itself. Way too good. Title: Re: Top 25: The Most Broken Cards of All Time Post by: PkMn Trainer on May 20, 2012, 11:25:27 pm Central Daylight Time Go BTH or broke. |