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« on: September 20, 2010, 02:26:02 pm Central Daylight Time » |
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Here's a deck I'm thinking about building. [MONSTERS: 24] [03] Battle Fader [02] Black Salvo [03] Caius the Shadow Monarch [02] Chaos Sorcerer [02] Cyber Dragon [02] Cyber Valley [01] Dark Armed Dragon [03] Dekoichi the Battlechanted Locomotive [03] Dimensional Alchemist [01] Gorz the Emissary of Darkness [01] Plaguespreader Zombie [01] Sangan
[SPELLS: 10] [01] Allure of Darkness [03] Book of Moon [01] Cold Wave [01] Dark Hole [01] Giant Trunade [01] Gold Sarcophagus [01] Mind Control [01] Monster Reborn
[trAPS: 07] [02] Bottomless Trap Hole [01] Mirror Force [01] Solemn Judgment [01] Torrential Tribute [02] Trap Stun
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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2010, 04:04:25 pm Central Daylight Time » |
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Dimensional Alchemist is pretty weak-ass. He's only good if you're using Cyber Valley, but then even that is just OK.
To me, this build doesn't seem like it can do much, not with those choices. Actually, Black Salvo Decks (at least how it is now) were never very good in my eyes.
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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2010, 06:11:56 pm Central Daylight Time » |
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Dimensional Alchemist is pretty weak-ass. He's only good if you're using Cyber Valley, but then even that is just OK.
To me, this build doesn't seem like it can do much, not with those choices. Actually, Black Salvo Decks (at least how it is now) were never very good in my eyes. I hate to prove you wrong because you have always been so helpful. But Dimensional Alchemist isn't weak-ass at all and he's not only good if you are using Cyber Valley. Dimensional Alchemist is a cog in the deck because you are running Battle Fader in this deck as well. In fact Cyber Valley is weak-ass because of the staple spells that everyone uses nowadays. I'm talking about Book of Moon and Mind Control. Cyber Valley isn't the draw engine of the deck anymore. The draw engine of this deck is now Dekoichi the Battlechanted Locomotive. But now back onto Dimensional Alchemist. D-Alchemist works great in this deck because you bring stuff back that was Bottomlessed, you can bring back Plaguespreader to synchro with again, you can bring back stuff that you used with Allure of Darkness, you can bring that stuff that you removed play with either Chaos Sorcerer or Dark Armed Dragon, or you can bring stuff back that was Dimensional Prisoned. There are so many cards that you can bring back, but like I said earlier it's best option ISN'T Cyber Valley anymore, it's best option is NOW Battle Fader.
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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2010, 11:38:44 am Central Daylight Time » |
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I like what I see.
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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2010, 01:15:55 pm Central Daylight Time » |
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I like what I see. About time some recognizes the true power of this deck. It's so freaking amazing. Trainer just doesn't understand the true power of Dimensional Alchemist in this deck. He think that it is only GREAT with Cyber Valley. Boy, is he wrong.
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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2010, 01:53:46 pm Central Daylight Time » |
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I know all of that.
From what I've seen, Alchemist hasn't been especially helpful for my friend who runs a good Dark Armed Synchro Deck (not Salvo, but Alchemists' uses remain the same). I don't like the lack of meat in SalvoDAD either. Nothin' really sticks. Gotta rely on those defensive S/T's.
>_>; Maybe it's cause I Main Deck Skill Drain? I dunno. These Decks just don't hit me.
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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2010, 11:29:31 am Central Daylight Time » |
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Black Salvo and Cyber Dragon already = sex.
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2010, 03:51:16 pm Central Daylight Time » |
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I forgot Battle Fader gets removed. >_>; I thought Mage was just sayin' he had Fader... I didn't make the connection before, but now I understand.
This Deck is pretty good.
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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2010, 12:29:02 pm Central Daylight Time » |
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I've returned with advice!
Unless most of your opponents are running 2 or 3 Dimensional Prisons, I recommend removing 1 Dimensional Alchemist. Losing a decent monster to just BTH is rather low. If it's a Synchro, you should have another copy in your Extra Deck. You still need to have the necessary Material to get the Synchro back on the field whether it is taken back by Alchemist. With only 2 Alchemists, you have a lower chance of drawing it without Fader. That's its main purpose anyway. Of course you can get PSZ back with Alchemist, but without Tomato to search PSZ out, you're fine with just 2.
o_o''' But if you do that, you might also want to knock off a Chaos Sorcerer. You may be reluctant on that, but to me it is worth the greater chance of drawing a "live" card like Book or Prison than a plain Alchemist.
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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2010, 08:40:43 pm Central Daylight Time » |
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I've returned with advice!
Unless most of your opponents are running 2 or 3 Dimensional Prisons, I recommend removing 1 Dimensional Alchemist. Losing a decent monster to just BTH is rather low. If it's a Synchro, you should have another copy in your Extra Deck. You still need to have the necessary Material to get the Synchro back on the field whether it is taken back by Alchemist. With only 2 Alchemists, you have a lower chance of drawing it without Fader. That's its main purpose anyway. Of course you can get PSZ back with Alchemist, but without Tomato to search PSZ out, you're fine with just 2.
o_o''' But if you do that, you might also want to knock off a Chaos Sorcerer. You may be reluctant on that, but to me it is worth the greater chance of drawing a "live" card like Book or Prison than a plain Alchemist. Chaos Sorcerer has to stay at 2. You never draw it when it's at one. Plus the deck doesn't work with Chaos Sorcerer at one. This is a Chaos deck after all.
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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2010, 03:12:35 pm Central Daylight Time » |
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Chaos Sorcerer has to stay at 2. You never draw it when it's at one. Plus the deck doesn't work with Chaos Sorcerer at one. This is a Chaos deck after all.
o_o''' Chaos Sorcerer does work at one, but yes, you are less likely to draw it.
Eh, my friend somehow gets 'em at the right time. e_e''' 2 DA's are still better in my experience. Could keep both Sorcerers and just cut 1 DA.
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« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2010, 08:12:48 pm Central Daylight Time » |
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o_o''' Chaos Sorcerer does work at one, but yes, you are less likely to draw it.
Eh, my friend somehow gets 'em at the right time. e_e''' 2 DA's are still better in my experience. Could keep both Sorcerers and just cut 1 DA.
Yeah, 4 Lights for 2 Chaos Sorcerer. I don't think so. D-Alch is amazing in this deck and it has to stay at 3. If you seen all the other Salvo-DAD decks out there, they also run 3.
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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2010, 10:28:45 pm Central Daylight Time » |
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Yeah, 4 Lights for 2 Chaos Sorcerer. I don't think so. D-Alch is amazing in this deck and it has to stay at 3. If you seen all the other Salvo-DAD decks out there, they also run 3.
If only to keep up the LIGHT count, I would rather have one Raiou. Forcing enemy resources to be expended is better than having an early DA that does nu'in.
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« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2010, 01:18:43 pm Central Daylight Time » |
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If only to keep up the LIGHT count, I would rather have one Raiou. Forcing enemy resources to be expended is better than having an early DA that does nu'in. Thunder King Rai-Oh is in the side deck where it needs to stay. I tried the deck with 2 Dimensional Alchemist and one Thunder King Rai-Oh in it and it sucked bad.
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« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2010, 02:22:26 pm Central Daylight Time » |
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Strange. Isn't he gonna be Sided in most of the time anyway?
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« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2010, 03:54:17 pm Central Daylight Time » |
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Strange. Isn't he gonna be Sided in most of the time anyway?
Yes. I'm done explaining how this deck works to you. You just don't understand the power of Dimensional Alchemist in this deck.
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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2010, 04:21:50 pm Central Daylight Time » |
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As expected. My experiences still differ.
Deck's done then. o_o'''
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« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2010, 07:10:58 pm Central Daylight Time » |
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As expected. My experiences still differ.
Deck's done then. o_o'''
And now you really don't understand the power of D-Alchemist with my secret updated build: MONSTERS: [22] [03] Battle Fader [02] Black Salvo [01] Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind [03] Caius the Shadow Monarch [02] Chaos Sorcerer [02] Cyber Dragon [01] Dark Armed Dragon [03] Dekoichi the Battlechanted Locomotive [03] Dimensional Alchemist [01] Plaguespreader Zombie [01] Sangan
SPELLS: [11] [01] Allure of Darkness [03] Book of Moon [01] Cold Wave [01] Dark Hole [02] Gold Sarcophagus [01] Monster Reborn [02] Mystical Space Typhoon
TRAPS: [08] [02] Bottomless Trap Hole [03] Dimensional Prison [01] Mirror Force [01] Solemn Judgment [01] Torrential Tribute HAHAHA!!!!
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« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2010, 07:31:47 pm Central Daylight Time » |
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Oh sh*t, I like this. O_O'''
You're a genius, Mage.
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« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2010, 11:12:52 am Central Daylight Time » |
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Oh sh*t, I like this. O_O'''
You're a genius, Mage. Thanks, I think.
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« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2010, 01:59:20 pm Central Daylight Time » |
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Yeah. o_o'''
Those Dimensional Alchemists fulfill their life duty with the Gold Sarcophagi.
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« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2010, 09:50:23 pm Central Daylight Time » |
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Yeah. o_o'''
Those Dimensional Alchemists fulfill their life duty with the Gold Sarcophagi.
See, I told you.
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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2010, 12:27:39 pm Central Daylight Time » |
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Not exactly. GS wasn't in there before.
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« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2010, 07:55:24 pm Central Daylight Time » |
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Not exactly. GS wasn't in there before. Deck and side deck update in the OP. Yes, Trainer, this deck is broke as sh*t.
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« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2010, 10:25:53 pm Central Daylight Time » |
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Ah good, MST < Trap Stun fo' sho'. 8]
How's Rug been doin'?
On a side note, I changed "trAPS" into "TRAPS." ]
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