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« on: August 21, 2011, 11:51:51 pm Central Daylight Time »

Is God being rhetorical whenever he asks a question?
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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2011, 10:53:53 am Central Daylight Time »

What questions are God asking you Tye?
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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2011, 07:04:56 pm Central Daylight Time »

Answering a question with another question eh? No, I wasn't asked anything. Just Trainer's post on here made me wonder.
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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2011, 07:21:46 pm Central Daylight Time »

God has no flaws.  He has plans for all and they are always achieved.  He may even let evil work, but have it result in His favor.
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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2011, 08:05:30 pm Central Daylight Time »

If your god speaks to you and you question his words,havent you already lost faith in your god?
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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2011, 08:18:45 pm Central Daylight Time »

It may take time for His message to sink in.
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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2011, 11:25:16 pm Central Daylight Time »

 Trainer is really religious.

It's funny how really religious people seem to make all of god's decisions for him, like they know what he is thinking.

Like know god is happy with how his plan is unraveling. Or that he gets what he wants all the time.

I think god would be more enlightened than that and be able to accept and appreciate randomness and chaos just watch how the dice roll and watch the cookie crumble.

I mean yea intellegent design is one thing but complete control over every living moment... comon no way. That is why he has angels, to go out and do his bidding. Think about that.

Religious people need to stop assuming they know how god feels.
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« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2011, 12:20:47 am Central Daylight Time »

I agree with Arktic.

Trainer, answer me this. If God already knows everything, why would he ask us questions? Does it amuse him that he can already read our feeble minds and he just wants to watch our reactions? I'm dying to read your reply to this already.
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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2011, 06:57:20 pm Central Daylight Time »

He asks you questions so you can realize the answers.  Because people by nature sin after Adam and Eve disobeyed God and ate the forbidden fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, He must test us to see which ones have a strong and good will and have faith in Him.  Of course, there are still things that seem unexplained.  No one can say he or she truly understands the way God works considering how He is less "social" compared to the times recorded in the Bible.  But, have faith.  If you believe in Him and do good, you will be rewarded.

Perhaps there are bleak parts of your life that can be improved if you strengthen your walk with the Lord.  I actually know someone who led a hectic life and found peace once he went back to God.

I've had character improvements recently once my interest in God became more solid, and I feel very fortunate for my loving family (despite that we have a low income) and the chances I have received, like I am blessed.  

My family isn't super religious though; in fact I was more of an Athiest early on.  I came to believe in God after, but I wasn't really... into it.  Lukewarm.  However, I've seen how I've been messing up a lot of things I shouldn't have and that has convinced me to get my life back on track to reach my potential.  I'm working at becoming a better Christian to improve parts of my attitude and conduct.  So far I've just been feelin' better.  Faith, guys.
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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2011, 10:05:17 pm Central Daylight Time »

I was waiting for Trainer to answer your question Tye.

I know the obvious answer is to test you.
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I lol'd. Thanks though.
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2011, 07:56:04 pm Central Daylight Time »

I could argue trainer's views on god, but I don't want to get booted for making "religion guy on forum I frequent" lose it cause I made him see fallicy in his beliefs...again. Last time I got threats and crap, so IMMa just say "I disagree with the concept of a god"  and leave it at that.
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« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2011, 06:06:40 am Central Daylight Time »

 \m/What about An Alien Overlord? It is basically the same thing as God if it has all the same powers as God of lore. or tech that gives it those powers.

There is really no solid argument for these things. Because no one knows what the make up of God is.

BSA I wanna hear it, go post it in some other thread.
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« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2011, 10:05:45 pm Central Daylight Time »

Oh, lol. Honestly, I agree with Trainer.
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I want to hear it too. I could easily argue the possible non-existence of God.

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« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2011, 03:57:23 pm Central Daylight Time »

ok fevs you are on. What is your argument??? Or thoughts at least.
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« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2012, 06:05:19 am Central Standard Time »

I want to hear it too. I could easily argue the possible non-existence of God.

Come at me bro.  8]


Okay, here's something interesting that's been in my head a while.  Steven Hawking published a book in which he claims to prove God doesn't exist.  The sole arguement he makes is there was nothing before the big bang, not even time.  Since there was no before the begining nothing could exist.  Easy to follow.  Easier to disprove.

First of all the simple rule of cause and effect applies.  Something had to have triggered the big bang and something had to exist to create that primordial quantum singularity.  So the first part of his statement is flawed otherwise we wouldn't be here.  Second we have the nature of the multiverse.  At any given point there are simultanious versions of our universe; some of which exist after our universe's creation, others before.  It therefore is no great leap of scientific fate to assume that there might have been a universe before ours who's death triggered our own universe's creation (universal crunch theory) or perhaps proceeded ours (membrane theory).  So there can indeed be a before the beginning.  It is possible, and my personally theory, that God crossed over into our universe at the time of the big bang and that He might have actually been the cause of it wiether by design or sheer luck.

Of course all this is mote 'cause we will never know exactly what existed before the big bang, we can only know up until the first few minutes of the big bang, and we will probably never know the exact cause of the big bang.  And any contemplation of God's existance require one to assume too many things about God, things no one knows, including God's reason for creating the universe and in fact what God is.
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« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2012, 02:24:11 pm Central Standard Time »

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And Scientific Theory and Quantum Theory are just that, theory. Just like Religion, Theory. Lots of science is NOT fact. The truth in science is and will always be changing.

So pondering Quantum Theory is just as mote as ponder the Afterlife. But both still fun to ponder.

It isn't proven that the big bang even happened. That whole idea is mere theory. what if the particles scientist are trying to trace back to the origin of the bang was just two enormous, unimaginable sized planets already existing in an even bigger more ancient universe colliding and creating what we think is our universe but really is a drop in the bucket of cosmos.

and parallel universes are theory also no proof or even a good reason why you would believe they exist except they can't prove Gravity, so parallel universes must exist! that is just as crazy as God exists.

What if Gravity really doesn't exist what if it is parallel existing electro magnetic energy that exists along regular electromagnetic energy.? who knows they can't prove the theories they have now anyway.

Steven Hawkins has a theory that proves blacks holes DO destroy matter (energy.)

so there goes Einstein's Theory! but who is right? they are both only theory so no one knows what is true.

And scientist created a void in a lab and it was a controlled void and then qork particles just started appearing from void. There is no explanation for this but it appears as if matter was created out of void! what is up with that.?

If qorks can just pop into existence then they can form into a proton and neutron and eventually become an atom and then matter was just made of thin air! so the qorks basically just disproved cause and effect.

I like to believe in things I have experienced. like energy phenomenon. I know Dits has experienced Chi before. You can feel it but not see and if you can feel it then it has matter and if Chi is Spirit there might be spirit particles. so science has a better chance of discovering the soul more so than discovering what is at the deepest most parts of the ocean let alone discovering the existence of parallel universes or whether or not the big bang happened.

I could care less if God exist but I'm pretty sure I have a spirit.

In deep meditation outdoors I figured out how to gather energy from the air and ground and store it in my center and then flow it through my body and upon touching a tree felt its energy. maybe it was the tree's spirit and maybe it was just the collective flow of the Earth's Life Force, living planet and all ya know.

There is some deep happenings in the works of existence.
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« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2012, 02:55:55 pm Central Standard Time »

I can't believe you are making me do this:

And Scientific Theory and Quantum Theory are just that, theory. Just like Religion, Theory. Most of science is NOT fact. The truth in science is and will always be changing.

So pondering Quantum Theory is just as mote as ponder the Afterlife. But both still fun to ponder.


Quantum Theory has been proven.  If it hadn't been proven then we wouldn't have bar codes, CDs and DVDs or anything else that requires a lazer.  You are thinking about String Theory or Membrane Theory.

It isn't proven that the big bang even happened. That whole idea is mere theory. what if the particles scientist are trying to trace back to the origin of the bang was just two enormous, unimaginable sized planets already existing in an even bigger more ancient universe colliding and creating what we think is our universe but really is a drop in the bucket of cosmos.



There's your proof.  In photograph form.  Fresh from NASA.

and parallel universes are theory also no proof or even a good reason why you would believe they exist except they can't prove Gravity, so parallel universes must exist! that is just as crazy as God exists.

Scientist and physists have pretty much already proven it.  I posted a dumbed down video on the matter months ago, obviously you didn't pay attention.

Steven Hawkins has a theory that proves blacks holes DO destroy matter (energy.)

so there goes Einstein's Theory! but who is right? they are both only theory so no one knows what is true.


Actually, no.  He does not have such a theory.  And in the end it would just prove the existance of white holes.  So Einstein is off somewhere giving you the finger.

And scientist created a void in a lab and it was a controlled void and then qork particles just started appearing from void. There is no explanation for this but it appears as if matter was created out of void! what is up with that.?

If qorks can just pop into existence then they can form into a proton and neutron and eventually become an atom and then matter was just made of thin air! so the qorks basically just disproved cause and effect.


I see and what kind of void was this where "qork" particles suddenly appear?  Did you mean quark?  'Cause those particles have never been observed.  Secondly that statement, no matter how flawed, proves alternate universes.

I love the science chanel and NatGeo. Great Programing.

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Stop shoving eggs up your ass and pay attention 'cause you are missing all the science.
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« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2012, 03:08:37 pm Central Standard Time »

quarks have been observed in the smashing of atoms

Anything called a theorymeans it hasn't been proven. Those things aren't facts just because the group of scientists believe they may be true! That pic proves nothing at all.

And white holes are just another theory!

God Dits you are such a Religous Freakazoid when it comes to Theories of Quantum Physics you believe in. You just jump on the most popular idea with the quacks who wont let intelligent design go mainstream.
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« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2012, 03:12:20 pm Central Standard Time »

Oh my bad on saying quantum theory cause yea duh I was in a rush and was meaning Theories on Quantum Physics as such in topic.

Theory being the key word.
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« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2012, 03:21:53 pm Central Standard Time »

quarks have been observed in the smashing of atoms

Anything called a theorymeans it hasn't been proven. Those things aren't facts just because the group of scientists believe they may be true! That pic proves nothing at all.

And white holes are just another theory!

God Dits you are such a Religous Freakazoid when it comes to Theories of Quantum Physics you believe in. You just jump on the most popular idea with the quacks who wont let intelligent design go mainstream.


I only believe what's been experimented, studied and proven.  And no, quarks have not been difinitively observed in the Hadron collider.  And while we are at it here's a list of theories that have been proven without a doubt:

Gravity
Evolution
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And none of those are in our conversation! I Didn't say ALL Theories because there are Laws that evolve from Theory.

And yea we all know gravity works but they don't know why or how it exist and Gravity gets in they way of many Quantum calculations... Its a monkey wrench and the reason many Theories in Quantum Physics remain Theory.

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« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2012, 03:42:41 pm Central Standard Time »

And yea we all know gravity works but they don't know why or how it exist



Yeah, we do.  We might be missing a few details, but we pretty much know everything about gravity.  The only reason why I brought those topics up was because Quantum physics and various theories involved are undergoing the same transition from theory to law.  And you just can't ignore them or dismiss them 'cause you don't understand them or you think you see a problem with them or they clash with another theory.

And for the record I don't "just jump on the most popular idea".  Otherwise I would believe in Global Warming or that the world will end on Dec. 21 2012.
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