Grapha, Dragon Lord of Dark World

[Fever]

How is this card so good? Tell me all the cool combos. Any errata and rulings I don't know about?

[Bakura_yami]

nothing in particular ithink the only rulings on grapha, when grapha ia already special summon ucnnot use d.d. crow on him.....

[PkMn Trainer]

Basically, you try to get him as quickly as you can (naturally drawn or search or Foolish Burial) and Normal Summon Broww/Snoww/Beiige to bring back Grapha whenever you need to.  Grapha is basically your sole monster to fight with.  Like really, Grapha is the only thing you put on the field.

Dark World is super straightforward.  Always keep one Lv:3-4 DW monster in your hand to make sure you can bring back Grapha.  If Snoww is the only DW in your hand, you can go ahead and  discard it because you can always search for another Snoww.  And of course don't blindly use DWD/Card Destruction unless you're desperate.  If it begins to come down to that in a mirror match, never play either unless you are SURE they have nothing more than a Broww.

If you really need to draw, don't be afraid to burn through your Gates.

[BigStinkinApe]

not sure of this is good or not but one neat tech I seen in DW decks with raven was running a lone scarr and graveful revival, so revive scar for the bounce or raven for the 1-2 times out of 100 duels where you MIGHT benefit from a tuner.

Grepha is essentially DW's blue-eyes with a revival system under gates. you just summon it and bully the **** out the the opponent as you troll field. Viruses work, but personally I'd not trade grepha for a virus unless you KNOW it'll **** them( wind-ups, MAYBE inzektors if you can kick centipede and hopper out via BTH or something.)

[PkMn Trainer]

not sure of this is good or not but one neat tech I seen in DW decks with raven was running a lone scarr and graveful revival, so revive scar for the bounce or raven for the 1-2 times out of 100 duels where you MIGHT benefit from a tuner.

Grepha is essentially DW's blue-eyes with a revival system under gates. you just summon it and bully the **** out the the opponent as you troll field. Viruses work, but personally I'd not trade grepha for a virus unless you KNOW it'll **** them( wind-ups, MAYBE inzektors if you can kick centipede and hopper out via BTH or something.)

Graceful Revival is a horrible choice for a Dark World Deck (not directing anything against you BSA).  Scarr & Raven are the only Lv:2's that work for Dark World.  Scarr is already useless, and running a card to support it is silly.  Sangan is better because it can get you Trance Archfiend.  I'd say you only Tune with Raven every... 1-2 out of approx. 15 Duels.  It's true he isn't that useful.

The Viruses definitely aren't what they once were to us.  I never thought EEV was very good because the meta has always been running of its monsters.

DDV is only worthy as Side Deck material for Wind-Ups.  They are already a fairly easy match-up for Dark World (making us discard is tricky).

DDV's not worth it against Inzektors.  They basically run off of Inzektor Dragonfly.  A simple CED is more worth it against Inzektors.

And the Virus is just about completely useless against Dino Rabbits.  Those guys are f*ckers.  Laggia will give you headaches.

For Tour Guide-less builds of Dark World, Skill Drain Mained will solve Wind-Ups & Inzektors no problem (although it can be a b*tch if Wind-Ups go first and get their loop).  Dino Rabbits will still be a pain due to how easily they can bring out Laggia.

[Fever]

Tour Guide looked to be good but nothing essential IMO. Grapha is good but after reading it over and over, it's not amazing. Drawing into it will make you cringe. But it's still great. So I feel like I would run 2 in a non Grapha dedicated deck. I still want to run Goldd and Sillva and other new cards I'm reading up on. I like the Dark World cards that are sure to be Special Summoned through my own discarding actions. But I still like this card.

[BigStinkinApe]

You run 3 grepha...that's just how it works. Drawing it means gate's has a juicy target, as does dragged down or dark smog.


IDK if I build DW ATM it would look sometihng like this
Monsters 15-18 ish
3 Grepha
3 Snow
3 Broww
2 Beiige
1-2 of sillva/ goldd
2-3 trance
2 DCK
0-1 raven
0-1 M jar
0-1 maleific stardust (IMO a genuis add by Balan in his deck)

11-13 spells
3 Gates
3 DWD
2 DWL
2 DDttG
1 Card D
2 ish MST
0-2 mystic planter
1 Reborn
9-13 traps
1 Judgment
2 Warning
0-1 Huge Revo. Is Over/ another SLR
2 Dark Smog
2-3 Skill Drain
2+ Fiendish Chain
1 SLR
2 CED


(unless I forgot something important there, that would be my build ATM off the top of my head.)

and I'd be tempted to side

3 disturbance strategy
2-3 call of the H.
3 portector of the sanctuary
3 veilers
2 ROW
0-1 BLS/ something randy

protector I'd side in(or side out if you mained it...) vs wind-ups or vs rabbit to cluster **** them opening turn. Opened with Call, dist. Strategy and protector. set call and dist + what ever else is good and then they go to draw, you flop dist chaining coth nabbing back protector and then no one get's to draw from Dist. strategy. You have backrow/ Call and protector, and they have **** all. You draw and proceed to build on this now trolled wind up player.

[Fever]

Depends on the build. I don't believe Grapha or Gates of Dark World are staples. YET.

[PkMn Trainer]

Depends on the build. I don't believe Grapha or Gates of Dark World are staples. YET.

For a moment this statement reminded me on the noobery at Pojo.

Trust me,  DW is more consistent and powerful because of Grapha, Snoww and Gate.  You HAVE TO use them if you want to see why Dark World had become successful.  If you don't take my word for it now, you will very quickly change your Deck to match what is standard - and remember how I've said there is a good reason behind why a specific structure is considered standard.

[Fever]

For a moment this statement reminded me on the noobery at Pojo.

Trust me,  DW is more consistent and powerful because of Grapha, Snoww and Gate.  You HAVE TO use them if you want to see why Dark World had become successful.  If you don't take my word for it now, you will very quickly change your Deck to match what is standard - and remember how I've said there is a good reason behind why a specific structure is considered standard.

I've said YET because I haven't run tests or completed my research. Back before I quit, I created different types of decks for Dark World because there are different ways to approach it. Today, you can still go for the aggro build or a budget build.

[PkMn Trainer]

I've said YET because I haven't run tests or completed my research. Back before I quit, I created different types of decks for Dark World because there are different ways to approach it. Today, you can still go for the aggro build or a budget build.

The cards look so good.  How would you even think they're not staples?  That's what I'm getting at.  What little we had before wasn't working, and after the introduction of these new cards, Dark World is capable in the meta.  It's only logical.  Hype doesn't even have anything to do with this if that's what's making you cautious.

But yes, you will understand.   Very quickly like I said.

[Fever]

Now that Dark World is meta, Gates of Dark World and Grapha are staples. How many is the question. But like anything else, you can run what works for you.

Mirror matches for Dark World have always been about skill but now it's all about who's Gates of Dark World is out and how many you have left.

[PkMn Trainer]

o_o''' The answer is easy, Fever.  3.  Just look at everyone else's Deck.  Seriously, Dark World is very, very simple.

And yes that is true.   Whoever has Gates & Grapha first wins.

[Fever]

I know that but I just don't want to copy someone else's deck. 

[BigStinkinApe]

Even with Balan's win at the YCS sparking a resurgance in DW on D-net, there is very rarely a DW mirrormatch anymore. Be prepared for it, but it's a non-factor usually.

Also running a tech copy of Maleific dust OR demise of the land works to keep gates in your favor. I've also seen(abeit i sub par builds) a quickdraw/ drill warrior system mained to keep re-working gates.

[PkMn Trainer]

I know that but I just don't want to copy someone else's deck. 

It's not exactly "copying someone else" when you're simply using the standard structure.  Now if you observe and match a specific player's tech choices, then you are netdecking.

[Fever]

Netdecking is the same exact thing. Except from the internet. 

Anyway, of course I'll make a solid Side Deck. That's the fun part. 

[ArkticDark]

Grapha can pop any card off of just a discard and you get a normal summon and more special summons so reviving him isn't a big deal. And Trance Archfiend works so well because of Gates cost and it is kinda lika loop just turn to turn.

Dark World moves so much faster now because of Gates and hits so much harder now because of Grapha.

Has anyone tried a new DW Infernity deck yet?

[PkMn Trainer]

Netdecking is the same exact thing. Except from the internet. 

Anyway, of course I'll make a solid Side Deck. That's the fun part. 

>_>; It's only the core, man.  Everyone for every type of Deck shares a common core.  You're gonna match the standard build soon enough if you haven't already.  I'll end this matter here since you're not willing to believe me.   Or anyone else whose still sharp in the game, because they will tell you the same thing.

Side Decking is a pain. D:  It's so hard to fit sh*t in to be confident against troublesome Tier 1 Decks.
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D: Dark World does not maintain what consistency it has when it is mix with other archetypes.

[Fever]

>_>; It's only the core, man.  Everyone for every type of Deck shares a common core.  You're gonna match the standard build soon enough if you haven't already.  I'll end this matter here since you're not willing to believe me.   Or anyone else whose still sharp in the game, because they will tell you the same thing.

Side Decking is a pain. D:  It's so hard to fit sh*t in to be confident against troublesome Tier 1 Decks.
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D: Dark World does not maintain what consistency it has when it is mix with other archetypes.

Yes I know. The deck skeleton is epitome of a recent meta success. Everyone wants to be the winner so naturally they copy. Of course the formula works too. This isn't my first time playing YGO. 

I agree with you about the Side Deck and the mix with archetypes. Mixing back in the day was necessary since Dark World didn't have enough of it's own support.

[PkMn Trainer]

Yes I know. The deck skeleton is epitome of a recent meta success. Everyone wants to be the winner so naturally they copy. Of course the formula works too. This isn't my first time playing YGO. 

I agree with you about the Side Deck and the mix with archetypes. Mixing back in the day was necessary since Dark World didn't have enough of it's own support.

Another reason why I don't see why you are so resistant.  You sure sound like a newbie from what you've said.

I can just fit in an OK amount of anti-"x" stuff.   Good thing Konami answered our prayers...   Maybe we'll be Tier 1 next format lol. D: But then...

[Fever]

Well nobody's opinions seem to matter to you relating to Dark World. So why don't you share your deck?   You like to share negative criticism all the time with your black and white opinions. Let's see it.

[PkMn Trainer]

Well nobody's opinions seem to matter to you relating to Dark World. So why don't you share your deck?   You like to share negative criticism all the time with your black and white opinions. Let's see it.

My Deck's been on here for a long time, Fever.  I'm critical because you give hints of an attitude sayin' you know it all but ya don't accept solid principles about the Deck.  I'm not baggin' on you for running Morphing Jar or Reckless Greed though I like neither (though Upstart really is unworthy).  But to question how useful Grapha & Gate really are? -_-'''  C'mon.

It looks like you wanna be a bit more creative with Dark World.  I hate to be a buzzkill, but for such a straightforward Deck there's no alternative way to run it and still maintain similar success.  If there was then you'd see the new build poppin' up everywhere else.

Like I've already said Fever, ya don't believe me now but ya will.  Look, I'm not tryna talk down on ya but you've been outta the game for a long time.  It'd be wise to consider what I've said.  After all, I have good reasoning for my stand on cards.  If I said somethin' erroneous the others would speak up and I'd address them.

[Fever]

My Deck's been on here for a long time, Fever.  I'm critical because you give hints of an attitude sayin' you know it all but ya don't accept solid principles about the Deck.  I'm not baggin' on you for running Morphing Jar or Reckless Greed though I like neither (though Upstart really is unworthy).  But to question how useful Grapha & Gate really are? -_-'''  C'mon.

It looks like you wanna be a bit more creative with Dark World.  I hate to be a buzzkill, but for such a straightforward Deck there's no alternative way to run it and still maintain similar success.  If there was then you'd see the new build poppin' up everywhere else.

Like I've already said Fever, ya don't believe me now but ya will.  Look, I'm not tryna talk down on ya but you've been outta the game for a long time.  It'd be wise to consider what I've said.  After all, I have good reasoning for my stand on cards.  If I said somethin' erroneous the others would speak up and I'd address them.

Well this is a fair response. I'm impressed and I agree. It has been a long time. 

I didn't doubt those two cards. I was just looking for more possibilities. But yes 3 Grapha and Gates is a must. Testing helped prove that.

But besides that, the turbo build and the standard build are different of course. The turbo build is more inconsistent. The standard deck I'm working on works much better.

[PkMn Trainer]

See?  You get it now!